Route Notes
Route Notes is a podcast for public health professionals, nonprofit leaders, educators, and changemakers navigating the real work of leadership in complex systems. We’ve spent years working alongside leaders in public health, education, nonprofits, and advocacy. From board rooms to back roads, the challenges are always complex. Route Notes shares stories, strategies, and lessons we’ve learned along the way—and introduces you to the people who’ve helped us navigate the terrain. Because maps are made from the journeys behind us—not the road ahead.
Route Notes is a podcast for public health professionals, nonprofit leaders, educators, and changemakers navigating the real work of leadership in complex systems. We’ve spent years working alongside leaders in public health, education, nonprofits, and advocacy. From board rooms to back roads, the challenges are always complex. Route Notes shares stories, strategies, and lessons we’ve learned along the way—and introduces you to the people who’ve helped us navigate the terrain. Because maps are made from the journeys behind us—not the road ahead.
Episodes

Aug 21, 2025
Aug 21, 2025
35 min
In this episode of Route Notes, we explore the power—and necessity—of the U-turn. What happens when leaders, communities, or even parents choose to pause, reflect, and reroute? Wes shares a personal parenting moment that sparked the episode, along with a hilarious cautionary tale involving an overconfident Eagle Scout, an underprepared hike, and a poorly chosen shortcut.
Along the way, we reflect on what it means to admit a mistake in public health and leadership without losing trust. Spoiler: Done well, it can actually strengthen it.
If you've ever barreled ahead only to realize you're off-course—this one’s for you.

Aug 14, 2025
Aug 14, 2025
40 min
In this episode of Route Notes, we dive into Moral Ambition by Rutger Bregman—a book that asks a direct and timely question: what are you doing with your life, and why not work on something that matters?
Inspired by the energy of a new academic year, we reflect on what it means to channel ambition toward meaningful change, especially in public health and community work. The conversation ranges from tech-driven distraction to the joy of deep purpose, from purity politics to the unexpected ways people show up for change in their everyday lives.
We talk about noble losers, idealism without action, and why real progress often depends not just on inspiration but on tactical, resilient work behind the scenes. Whether you're just getting started or looking to reconnect with the “why” behind your work, this episode is a challenge to step in—and step up.
Next up: Faith-Rooted Organizing by Alexia Salvatierra. Join us for the next Campfire Chat as we explore how faith communities can be mobilized toward justice and transformation.

Aug 6, 2025
Episode 10: The Hidden Value of Constraints
Aug 6, 2025
Aug 6, 2025
29 min
In this episode of Route Notes, we explore how constraints—those limits we often try to eliminate—can actually fuel creativity, collaboration, and community. From policy and innovation to loneliness and shared norms, we reflect on what gets lost when we remove the very boundaries that once held us together.
We talk about the unintended consequences of convenience, the erosion of social connection, and why policymaking might benefit from asking one simple question: what good might this constraint be doing? Whether it’s the shift to telemedicine, the decline of shared public spaces, or the overwhelming paradox of choice, this episode invites listeners to think differently about what holds us back—and what might be holding us together.

Jul 30, 2025
Jul 30, 2025
33 min
In this episode of Route Notes, we’re joined by Dr. Michael Forde—public health leader, equity strategist, and master storyteller—for a conversation about what really drives change in health and healthcare. From his current work in health equity to his experience at the NIH during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, Dr. Forde shares what he's learned about trust, empathy, and the stories that stay with us.
We explore how storytelling isn't just a tool—it's a core skill for public health, strategic planning, and systems change. This conversation moves from personal experience to national policy, from implicit bias in healthcare settings to the hopeful power of cultural humility and connection. If you've ever felt the gap between the data and the humans behind it, this one's for you.

Jul 23, 2025
Episode 8: The Strategy Is in the Story
Jul 23, 2025
Jul 23, 2025
25 min
In this episode of Route Notes, we reflect on the central role of story in planning, leadership, and decision-making. Over years of working with organizations and communities, we’ve found that strategy doesn’t emerge from filling in templates—it emerges from narrative.
We talk about what changed in our own facilitation approach, including the moment we stopped asking people to start with templates and instead invited them to tell a story.
This is an episode about how humans are wired for meaning, not metrics—and how facilitators, leaders, and strategists can harness the power of story to unlock clarity, alignment, and momentum.

Jul 16, 2025
Jul 16, 2025
49 min
In this episode of Campfire Chat, we dig into Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson, a bold call to rethink how we approach public policy, innovation, and problem-solving. Framed around a powerful question—what if we planned for abundance instead of assuming scarcity?—this conversation explores the real potential of government-driven innovation, from Operation Warp Speed to climate tech, housing reform, and scientific research.
We discuss the book’s techno-optimism, the role of crisis in mobilizing action, and why some of our biggest wins—like the COVID-19 vaccine rollout—became political orphans. We also wrestle with the deeper tradeoffs, like red tape and risk aversion, that slow down real progress. Along the way, we reflect on what this framework could mean for universities, health departments, and anyone leading through complexity. Spoiler: it starts with being willing to change.
Want to read along for next time? We’ll be tackling Moral Ambition by Rutger Bregman in the next Campfire Chat. Grab a copy and join the conversation.

Jul 10, 2025
Jul 10, 2025
32 min
You’ve heard the phrase. You’ve probably said it: “Let’s not reinvent the wheel.”But what if that mindset is keeping us from real solutions?
In this episode, Wes and David take a hard look at the cliché—and argue that relying too heavily on other people’s answers can actually short-circuit innovation, especially in rural communities and complex systems.
They unpack:
Why “not reinventing the wheel” can be lazy leadership
The dangers of assuming sameness in community solutions
How starting from scratch invites creativity, ownership, and context
Why borrowing policies and plans can erode public trust
The power of starting with a blank sheet and local wisdom
This one’s for the leaders who are tired of copy-paste planning and want to build strategies that actually fit their communities.

Jul 2, 2025
Jul 2, 2025
35 min
In this first installment of a recurring series - Campfire Chat, we gather around the fire to explore Jonathan Haidt’s The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion. Through conversation that weaves together moral psychology, public health, theology, and community engagement, we reflect on what Haidt’s work can teach us about polarization and the limits of reason.
We discuss how moral intuitions often drive human behavior more than evidence or logic—and what that means for professionals working in divided communities. Drawing on real-world examples from public health practice and education, we consider how relationships, trust, and shared values might offer a better path toward understanding and collaboration. This episode also touches on broader questions of relevance facing both the church and higher education, and the importance of reimagining connection in a fragmented world.




